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Trouble Brews For Emerging Baptist Church Planters

Posted at: baptist like me | Syndicated: June 30th, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

I teatotaled before I was 21. Now I'm not ashamed to be a Baptist who also happens to like beer. I actually like bars more than I like beer, and I actually like bars more than I like churches.

The Missouri Baptist Convention does not agree.

Comment on Great links Thursday by Shawn

Posted at: Comments for (Re)inventing the Sacred | Syndicated: June 30th, 2007 @ 10:44 am

Happy B-day. Just discovered you as a result of your sneaking in under the still in development Daily Scribe door ! :)

I’m glad you did! I know have a great new blog to read and subscribe. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts! Peace.

Sunday at Faith

Posted at: Just My Opinion | Syndicated: June 30th, 2007 @ 10:17 am

I will be preaching at Faith Baptist Church in Kaiserslautern, Germany of July 8, 2007. Several people have ask what I will preach about. I am going to preach my favorite sermon from Psalm 137. The idea was back "then" that all of these American Baptist Christians had found themselves in Germany and they just didn't like it. Hence the responsibility of "singing the Lord's song in a foreign land." This sermon will talk about all of the ways they sang the song at Faith.

A Family Affair

Posted at: Barnabas File | Syndicated: June 30th, 2007 @ 10:08 am

These comments on the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship/American Baptist joint worship service are a logical followup to my comments earlier about the Baptist family. Last night was the closing session of the CBF General Assembly in Washington, DC, and the opening session of the ABCUSA Biennial Meeting. The worship service was an opportunity to celebrate what brings us together as Baptists. The music styles were varied as befits our diversity. Church state separation was celebrated. Missions was emphasized. Rather than feature one person as the keynote speaker, we had the opportunity to hear from Roy Medley, general secretary of ABCUSA; Tyrone Pitts, general secretary of the Progressive National Baptist Convention; and Daniel Vestal, (executive) coordinator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. These leaders shared their insights about the values that unite Baptists generally and the personal events that have brought them together as individuals. As Vestal said, "We need to get to know each other. There's more to unite us than divide us." It was fitting that we closed our worship at the Lord's Table where all believers are welcome.


It would be easy to gloss over the real organizational, cultural, and procedural issues that do divide us at this point. Baptists represented at this meeting have some real differences to overcome, and we must be honest about those issues. However, we can continue to seek ways to come together around mission and ministry.



I came out of this meeting with several "feelings" about the future.



First, there are real opportunities for us to partner with "like-minded" Baptists if we are not concerned about uniformity, organizational unity, or who gets the credit. As long as we work to network churches to do Kingdom work, we can accomplish a great deal. We can also really get to know each other as we get our hands dirty in that work.



Second, the future of our mission efforts as Fellowship Baptists lies in cooperation with groups like the ABC and Progressive Baptists. We are stronger together than we are individually.


Third, we are brothers and sisters in Christ. Finding ways to work together can be a positive witness to the world that laughs at Baptist "cooperation" because of our fragmentation and combative history.



Fourth, Baptists are better than we have allowed ourselves to think that we are. Since we (moderate Baptists) have become a minority movement, many Baptists in the south have developed a negative self-image. We can no longer claim to being part of the "God's last and only hope" to win the world for Christ. Many of us have learned humility, now we must learn how to use that humility to be true servants in the Kingdom.



Fifth, it is time for us to take some risks. We don't have a great deal to lose. Let's open the doors and make some new friends.



Friday night was a step in the right direction. Let's not falter now!

God Never Forgets

Posted at: Talk With the Preacher | Syndicated: June 30th, 2007 @ 5:12 am

This update came from the American Baptist News Service today. It describes a report the General Board heard about the progress of the new American Baptist Congregations of the Southwest and Hawaii.

Also in Thursday’s session, board members heard a presentation by Dr. Joseph H. DeRoulhac of the First Baptist Church of Redlands, Calif., about the new American Baptist Congregations of the Southwest and Hawaii. The new group includes churches that wish to remain with ABCUSA, following the withdrawal of the Pacific Southwest (PSW) region from the national body to form a new organization. DeRoulhac said that, of the 250 churches in the former PSW region, 40 have formally withdrawn from ABCUSA, and 50 have indicated they wish to remain with ABCUSA. Many other churches are in a process of “sorting out” their relationships, he said.

Joe is a friend of mine, a brilliant scholar (PhD in Social Ethics from USC), a committed American Baptist, an unusually fair person, and a great defender of most things left of center (including progressive views on various social issues such as homosexuality). Other than the large predominately African-American First Institutional Baptist Church of Phoenix, pastored by Dr. Warren H. Stewart, Sr., Redlands is one of the larger churches in the fellowship of the new ABC of the Southwest and Hawaii.

It would be interesting to see who the 50 congregations are that have indicated a desire to remain with ABCUSA. The national VF establishment has reportedly used some fairly "persuasive" strong-arm tactics to pressure ethnic churches to stay with the ABCUSA. Similarly, the entreaties coming from the ABC of LA have pushed hard, sometimes reportedly blurring the distinctions between truth and falsehood in a zeal to recruit American Baptist congregations for the cause.

I would not be surprised if the bulk of churches staying with the ABCUSA have a record of inadequate or non-existent mission support. Notable exceptions to this prediction would be Pasadena FBC (where I served as a preaching interim for almost a year and one half and where Drs. Bob Campbell, David Scholar, Glenn Stassen, and Bob Meye hold membership) and DeRoulhac's Redlands, both very strong mission-giving churches.

Impeachment of Dick Cheney

Posted at: Thoughts of a minister | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 7:20 pm

Thanks to Bruce for pointing this out.

[Update: I found this cartoon on Slate.com, it nails it on the head.]

A former Reagan, as in Ronald Reagan, aide Bruce Fein has written an editorial on why Cheney needs to be impeached.

It should be breath taking that a Republican is calling for the impeachment of the Emperor, excuse me Vice-President, but let's face facts the VP has been performing "high crimes and misdemeanors" for several years now. No bid war contracts to Halliburton come immediately to mind.

Fein lays out several reasons for Cheney's impeachment, but he seems to focus on King George's relenting of his responsibilities to Cheney for most of the reason for the need to impeach him.

But the unwritten note here is that a shift in national sentiment, and control of the Congress hasn't really brought up the idea of impeachment. The mayor of Salt Lake is a noted exception to this. Bloggers of certain stripes of course have been calling for the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney for a long time.

But when a Republican writes that the VP needs to go, that really shows just how impotent our Congress has become.

It's no secret that Cheney thinks that the laws of the land don't apply to him. I just wish that those in Congress would remember the power that is given them and use it for the good of the country.

Remember those of you Democrats that were new elected in November, we put you there for a reason. This article should give you both pause and a purpose.

Maybe

Posted at: Not Quite Getting It | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

Maybe... Just maybe... it's time for a change.

I've been feeling a little tiny call toward a new kind of writing. I've reread my previous articles and I'm thinking about focusing my writing some more in a specific direction: discerning and calling out those stories and gospels that are false.

There are many ways that we miss the point and live out the title of "Not Quite Getting It."

I'm going to continue to pray about this as I discern this call. I'm looking for any readers that remain to help me in the discernment of this call. Any thoughts?

Friday Photo

Posted at: For God's Sake, Shut Up! | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 4:54 pm

Here is a photo I took of the reflection of some trees in an office building.


Say Something Nice!

Posted at: For God's Sake, Shut Up! | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 4:53 pm

My latest column came out today in the June issue of the BGCM E-Message, the free monthly email newsletter of the Baptist General Convention of Missouri. It is entitled "Say Something Nice!" In it I continue some thoughts about "Say Something Nice Sunday" that I posted about here a few weeks ago. Here are a couple of excerpts from the column:
It is long past time for the rhetoric to be toned down and for all Christians to be nice to our brothers and sisters in Christ. Let us work on being nicer to each other. Let us work on cooperating together for the sake of the Gospel. And let us focus on sharing the love of Jesus instead of being distracted by petty fights, legal conflicts, or power struggles.

Most kids have probably been told, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." That is actually pretty good advice for adults as well. Too often we cause unnecessary conflict and pain by opening our mouths.
Hopefully, more Christians will start cleaning up their rhetoric.

The ?Other? Baptists

Posted at: ProgressiveBaptist.Net | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 2:24 pm

The Washington Post has published an opinion piece in their “On Faith” section on “America’s Other Baptists.” Thanks to Bruce Prescott of Mainstream Baptist, who also blogs at the “New Baptist Covenant” blog, for alerting me to this.

I am grateful that others are taking notice that the ultra-conservative flavor of Baptist is not the only flavor. The days of identifying baptists with Paige Patterson and Jerry Falwell must come to a close. I hope to contribute to this identification of more progressive bapitsts by writing what i am calling “A Progressive Baptist Statement of Faith.” I am in the initial stages of this project and will post sections on this website as they come along.

Now, the WP article….

By RACHEL ZOLL
The Associated Press
Thursday, June 28, 2007; 12:00 PM

– They’re America’s other Baptists _ the ones who appoint women pastors, work with theological liberals and line up more closely with President Carter than with President George W. Bush.

Over the last 25 years, they have watched with growing concern as their conservative Southern Baptist brethren came to define the religious tradition for the general public.

Now, these other Baptists, who are spread among many different denominations, are slowly pooling resources on humanitarian work and evangelism, hoping they can have a bigger impact.

This Friday in Washington, two of the larger groups _ the American Baptist Churches and the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship _ will worship together for the first time. They plan to commission two missionary couples who will represent both groups, and will organize a national Islamic-Baptist dialogue to improve relations with Muslims.

“It is an effort to celebrate our common heritages as Baptist Christians and to affirm our commitment to work together more collaboratively,” said the Rev. Daniel Vestal, national coordinator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. “The Baptist witness is much richer and more nuanced than is characterized so often in the public square now.”

In January, an even broader group of Baptists will host an Atlanta meeting “to speak and work together to create an authentic and genuine prophetic Baptist voice in these complex times,” according to a joint document they issued called a “North American Baptist Covenant.”

The covenant grew out of meetings of Baptist leaders organized by Carter, a longtime Bible teacher who severed ties in 2000 with the Southern Baptist Convention because of what he called its “increasingly rigid” creed.

At 16.3 million members, the Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the country. However, millions of other Baptists have churches nationwide that are either independent or affiliated with smaller groups.

The Rev. Frank Page, the Southern Baptist president, has accused the covenant’s drafters of promoting a “left-wing liberal agenda that seeks to deny the greatest need in our world, that being that the lost be shown the way to eternal life through Jesus Christ.”

But organizers insist they do not want to create a new denomination or a political platform. Bill Underwood, president of Mercer University in Atlanta, and one of the main organizers of next year’s meeting, said he hasn’t heard “any discussion one way or another” about whether any presidential candidates will be allowed to speak at the assembly. President Clinton, also a Southern Baptist, is a supporter of the meeting.

The religious leaders who endorsed the covenant say their churches span a wide range of beliefs on issues both theological and political, and have diverse styles of worship. Many oppose abortion and gay marriage, but believe that the Bible’s social justice teachings are just as important. The unity meetings also aim to bridge the divide between historically African-American and white Baptists.

“We really haven’t seen this kind of unity in Baptist life since the early 19th century,” Underwood said. “The more we talk to one another, the more we realize that despite some differences we have on matters of theology, we can focus on the common ground.”

The National Baptist Convention Convention USA, Inc., and the Progressive National Baptist Convention _ both predominantly black and heavily involved in the civil rights movement _ are among the participants.

“I think it is possible for denominations not to be predominantly one racial ethnic group or another, but it’s always hard work,” said the Rev. Roy Medley, general secretary for the American Baptists, one of the rare U.S. denominations that aren’t dominated by a single ethnic group. “Race is still the underlying great divide in our country.”

The American Baptist Church, with about 1.2 million members, has about 5,500 congregations nationwide, concentrated more in northern states. The denomination has lost some churches and donors, due partly to differences over the Bible and homosexuality. The American Baptists have trimmed their national staff, and plan to sell their national office in Pennsylvania.

The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, based in Atlanta, was formed in 1991 by moderate and liberal Southern Baptists who opposed the conservative Southern Baptist leadership. The fellowship, with churches mainly in the South, has about 1,900 congregations and a ministry budget of $16 million.

Their joint worship Friday is on the day that each of their national meetings overlap.

Nancy Ammerman, a Boston University sociologist of religion who has written about Baptist battles, said that creating any kind of unified Baptist movement is difficult because local churches cherish their independence.

But boosting cooperation among the different groups, she said, is a more realistic goal.

“Maybe they could be seen as a united front,” Ammerman said, “so that people would think, `Oh, this is one of those non-Southern Baptist groups.’”

Quote of the Week

Posted at: Doing Theology from the Caribbean | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 4:49 am

"We are evangelizing by loving people into a relationship with God. We are evangelizing by dealing with the needs that people have which if not addressed will obscure the message. We are evangelizing by challenging unjust situations, the disparities and inequities of life. Some may say, 'That's just social action.' I beg to differ with you. No, it is not just social action. It is far more than that. Have you not read the New Testament, especially the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? In reading them did you not discover that is just what Jesus did? Can we dare do less?"

Emmanuel McCall, Moderator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship

Quote of the Week

Posted at: Doing Theology from the Caribbean | Syndicated: June 29th, 2007 @ 4:49 am

"We are evangelizing by loving people into a relationship with God. We are evangelizing by dealing with the needs that people have which if not addressed will obscure the message. We are evangelizing by challenging unjust situations, the disparities and inequities of life. Some may say, 'That's just social action.' I beg to differ with you. No, it is not just social action. It is far more than that. Have you not read the New Testament, especially the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? In reading them did you not discover that is just what Jesus did? Can we dare do less?"

Emmanuel McCall, Moderator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship

Toronto Daily News - 'Massive' Bomb Found in London - A bomb was found in an abandoned car in London's theatre district of Haymarket on Friday.

This is a chilling story! Not the first and probably not the last. I could be wrong but had the US and GB not invaded Iraq these perhaps these threats would be minimal? Just my opinion.

Worship

Posted at: Inspired thoughts | Syndicated: June 28th, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

Lately I’ve been reading a great book about worship. It was my little homework assignment given to me by the pastor I work under. He’s got really good taste in authors, because this one is amazing. It’s one of those books that I’ve wondered where it’s been all this time. It put some of the thoughts that have been swirling around in my head into order and saved me some filtering through to do. The title of the book is How Shall we Worship? by Marva J Dawn. It was written to address the issues of designing worship services that please everyone, but it goes right back to the heart of the issue. It asks the question of what worship is and what it isn’t.

One of the major points made in the book is the fact that our way of thinking in our society and culture is based on consumerism. We are constantly bombarded by advertisements in the newspaper, television, radio and internet. We are reminded that more is better and we crave for more and more material things. There tends to be this idea that we choose what we want, when we want it. This type of thinking has unfortunately come into our thinking about worship. Somehow we as believers have this idea that we need to shop around for the best church and the best worship service. And the church has gotten into it too, because the church tends to try to plan worship around its attractiveness to outsiders.

The main issue here is that worship is not about us. It never has been and it was never intended to be. Where we get the idea that the worship service should feed us, move us, and nourish us is something that I wonder about. The author rightly points us to the fact that worship is about and for God period. It’s not about how ‘attractive’ the service is to outsiders and whether or not every part of the worship experience pleases us. If worship is really about God and for God, it shouldn’t matter what church we’re in and whether it fits our personal taste. It’s for God anyway, not for us.

I would say that I do think that we get something out of worship, but that’s a by product of who worship is about. We will get something out of worship if our focus is correct and our hearts are humbled. If we are truly worshipping God then we will always be able to feel fed and nourished, but this involves leaving our personal preferences out of the worship experience. There are always some exceptions to this because some churches do not preach correct doctrine or they do not accept women fully. This would cause some grief in some cases. But if the planning of the worship service is for the glory of God, then we have no right to criticize. We need to worship God and not worry about our own personal desires.

“Baptized into the Republican Party” no more?

Posted at: Mainstream Baptists | Syndicated: June 28th, 2007 @ 8:00 pm

Guess Who’s Back?

Posted at: Those Crazy Liberals...and Conservatives | Syndicated: June 28th, 2007 @ 1:17 pm

America's national symbol no longer needs the protection of the Endangered Species Act. Who's excited? Besides the fact that America's national symbol isn't considered endangered any longer, the Bald Eagle has overcome great odds to achieve the position it now retains. Less than 1% of all Endangered Species ever make it off the list. There's something more than just birds and lists at work here.

This play of events demonstrates that when America, or concerned citizens, deeply care about the environment and good health of the environment positive results occur. In the grand scheme of endangered animals the Bald Eagle's success is minuscule when compared to the total list. Even then a small victory is better than none at all.

Environmental success stories do occur and hopefully will occur more often. I hope you take your part in not only protect our environment, but also enjoying, participating, and soaking in all of creation. More to come....

Blog Against Theocracy

Posted at: ProgressiveBaptist.Net | Syndicated: June 28th, 2007 @ 11:37 am

BlogThere will be a “Blog Against Theocracy” blogswarm from July 1-4.

A blogswarm is a coordinated effort in which a group of bloggers agree to post on the same topic at the same time.

The theme of this 4th of July blogswarm is “the separation of church and state is patriotic.”

Blog Against Theocracy!

Don’t miss this opportunity to join people across the country in speaking out for the separation of church and state. If you have a blog, please join the swarm. If you don’t have a blog but want to participate, visit blogs that are part of the swarm and post your comments. Also, whether a blog writer, blog reader, or both, if you know of blogs that should be part of this, please help spread the word.

Whatever role you wish to play, more information about the Blog Against Theocracy can be found here.

If you need resources, check out Talk2Action is a blog specifically on current church/state issues and the First Freedom First website, which not only provides tremendous resources, their petition is an excellent way to point your readers to ACTION on endorsing our Constitutional guarantee of the separation of church and state.

Posted at: Just My Opinion | Syndicated: June 28th, 2007 @ 5:28 am



Oma, Mother, Daughter
Three generations. Looks like they get
bigger with each generation.




What a beautiful picture!
The two pictures are of the same lady. Diane's friend Allison from New Zealand.

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Posted at: ProgressiveBaptist.Net | Syndicated: June 27th, 2007 @ 5:18 pm

Bruce Prescott at Mainstream Baptist is blogging live from The Minister and Politics: How to be Political Without Being Partisan” Conference sponsored by Christian Ethics Today at the Grand Hyatt hotel in Washington, D.C.

Start Reading Here and scroll up to see his comments on the speakers, which include Jim Wallis, Executive Director of Sojourners, Melissa Rogers, Visiting professor of Religion and Public Policy at Wake Forest University, Greg Boyd, Pas of Woodland Hills Church in St. Paul, Minnesota, Tony Campolo, Sociologist and President of the Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education.


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